Comments on: First peek at regular season ESTR http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100 by Timo Seppa Thu, 25 Mar 2010 22:02:13 -0700 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Timo Seppa http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100&cpage=1#comment-15 Timo Seppa Sat, 15 Aug 2009 01:16:07 +0000 http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100#comment-15 The fact that it's a rate stat -"per 60"- accounts for TOI. I like rate stats, most folks out there love the counting stats. The starting point is looking at GF/60 and GA/60 of all the players on the ice, for each goal. The fact that it’s a rate stat -”per 60″- accounts for TOI. I like rate stats, most folks out there love the counting stats.

The starting point is looking at GF/60 and GA/60 of all the players on the ice, for each goal.

]]> By: J from CT http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100&cpage=1#comment-14 J from CT Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:32:14 +0000 http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100#comment-14 So, the next question would be: How is strength of opponents and teammates measured, and how is its interaction with TOI factored? Is there a formula that's fit for public consumption? Or is it in the process of being copyright protected? And don't get me started on the phrase "quantum leap"! :-) So, the next question would be: How is strength of opponents and teammates measured, and how is its interaction with TOI factored?

Is there a formula that’s fit for public consumption? Or is it in the process of being copyright protected?

And don’t get me started on the phrase “quantum leap”! :-)

]]> By: admin http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100&cpage=1#comment-13 admin Fri, 14 Aug 2009 19:20:47 +0000 http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100#comment-13 The purpose of Even Strength Total Rating, ESTR, is essentially the same as plus/minus rating -to give an overall offensive/defensive value to a player- but it's a quantum leap forward. The problems with plus/minus? Doesn't account for TOI, strength of teammates, or strength of opponents. Pretty big problems. ESTR is the most advanced measurement of its kind that I know of, to deal with strength of teammates and strength of opponents on every goal that the player was on the ice. The next step you'll see is TR, Total Rating, which will also take into account the players' contributions on the power play and short handed, accounting for what baseline production is, TOI, strength of teammates, and strength of opponents. TR will therefore be a further improvement on plus/minus rating, taking into account PP and SH contributions as well. We want to verify that ESTR is in good shape before moving onto PPTR (Power Play Total Rating), SHTR (Short Handed Total Rating) and TR. We'll also work in contributions of taking and drawing penalties, and of shootout performance. In short, ESTR is Goal Difference per 60 minutes of ESTOI, adjusted for strength of opponents and strength of teammates. The purpose of Even Strength Total Rating, ESTR, is essentially the same as plus/minus rating -to give an overall offensive/defensive value to a player- but it’s a quantum leap forward. The problems with plus/minus? Doesn’t account for TOI, strength of teammates, or strength of opponents. Pretty big problems.

ESTR is the most advanced measurement of its kind that I know of, to deal with strength of teammates and strength of opponents on every goal that the player was on the ice.

The next step you’ll see is TR, Total Rating, which will also take into account the players’ contributions on the power play and short handed, accounting for what baseline production is, TOI, strength of teammates, and strength of opponents. TR will therefore be a further improvement on plus/minus rating, taking into account PP and SH contributions as well.

We want to verify that ESTR is in good shape before moving onto PPTR (Power Play Total Rating), SHTR (Short Handed Total Rating) and TR. We’ll also work in contributions of taking and drawing penalties, and of shootout performance.

In short, ESTR is Goal Difference per 60 minutes of ESTOI, adjusted for strength of opponents and strength of teammates.

]]> By: J from CT http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100&cpage=1#comment-12 J from CT Fri, 14 Aug 2009 18:43:43 +0000 http://icehockeymetrics.com/?p=100#comment-12 What's the ESTR based upon? I always equated +/- to even strength activity. What’s the ESTR based upon? I always equated +/- to even strength activity.

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